Laura Flanders interviews Karen Greenberg, Executive Director of the Center on Law and Security and co-editor of The Torture Papers: The Road to Abu Ghraib, on the recent Senate Armed Services Committee hearings on the origins of post 9/11 interrogation methods and who will or should bear responsibility for the abuses at Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and beyond.

Images of US service men and women torturing Iraqi prisoners. Stock footage of detainees in shackles at Guantanamo bay. Extraordinary rendition. How did it happen? And who authorized it?

On Tuesday the Senate Armed Services Committee released previously secret documents revealing that the US hid the locations of detainees and concealed harsh treatment to avoid scrutiny from the Red Cross. In this interview Karen Greenberg raises the question of how we live in a country that believes that our path to national security is based on the need to abuse and torture people.