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		<title>By: LisaG</title>
		<link>http://grittv.org/2008/06/04/grittv-commentary-the-hillary-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-91</link>
		<dc:creator>LisaG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There’s an excerpt of a film in Thursday’s show that you might enjoy - &lt;em&gt;What Would Jesus Buy&lt;/em&gt; following Rev Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping across America on a mission against “the shopocalypse”&lt;br /&gt;
It’s super smart and funny.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There’s an excerpt of a film in Thursday’s show that you might enjoy &#8211; <em>What Would Jesus Buy</em> following Rev Billy and the Church of Stop Shopping across America on a mission against “the shopocalypse”<br />
It’s super smart and funny.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://grittv.org/2008/06/04/grittv-commentary-the-hillary-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-90</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oprah, who launched Obama, focused on feminist issues a lot more than Hillary and has done so much for empowering women for so many years.  Hillary had to overcompensate by not leaning that direction so as not to fret the patriarchy.  Ironic, she is hailed by so many as a bastion of feminism now.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oprah, who launched Obama, focused on feminist issues a lot more than Hillary and has done so much for empowering women for so many years.  Hillary had to overcompensate by not leaning that direction so as not to fret the patriarchy.  Ironic, she is hailed by so many as a bastion of feminism now.</p>
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		<title>By: libbyliberal</title>
		<link>http://grittv.org/2008/06/04/grittv-commentary-the-hillary-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>libbyliberal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I got that Laura.  I was dismayed by the profound fury of a coworker last week who declared she would now sit out the election.  &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Politics is personal.  And when our gut and heart get committed it can feel glorious when our candidate is atop the waves and devastating when not.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;For Hillary to climb to where she got to she had to compromise.  It is a patriarchal game.  And how does one not throw the “baby” — integrity — out with the bath water of insider politics? Is it possible to have moral leadership in a corrupted system?  And the populace is manipulated by MSM, indifferent or so remote from the machinery of government, that things have to get pretty insane or finally penetrate the narcissism to rally our collective pain.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got that Laura.  I was dismayed by the profound fury of a coworker last week who declared she would now sit out the election.  </p>
<p>Politics is personal.  And when our gut and heart get committed it can feel glorious when our candidate is atop the waves and devastating when not.</p>
<p>For Hillary to climb to where she got to she had to compromise.  It is a patriarchal game.  And how does one not throw the “baby” — integrity — out with the bath water of insider politics? Is it possible to have moral leadership in a corrupted system?  And the populace is manipulated by MSM, indifferent or so remote from the machinery of government, that things have to get pretty insane or finally penetrate the narcissism to rally our collective pain.</p>
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		<title>By: Aquifer</title>
		<link>http://grittv.org/2008/06/04/grittv-commentary-the-hillary-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>Aquifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 22:08:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Ms. Flanders, &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;First, it’s good to know that you actually read comments people make! I get the impression that often journalists don’t even bother to see, let alone respond to, observations by their readers. Thank you!&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I also think that perhaps many women jumped on the Hillary bandwagon out of sheer frustration - “any woman has GOT to be better” - without checking beyond the DNA. I’ve heard too many sad, mumbling defenses of her policies on TV by women who should know better to doubt that this is a real phenomenon.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;But, and here I tremble waiting for the “racist” label to be attached to me, I think that a lot of Obama supporters   support him for the same reason - his symbolism to a long suffering group of people.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Both groups are bound to be disappointed, whether their candidate gets elected or not, because neither one offers anything of real substance. I, too “hope” for a “change”, but not from either one of these guys (let alone McCain). But for me, hope is not enough, we’re too far down the road for that. I will only give my vote to someone who earns it. I know healthcare is too far gone to waste time on tinkering with either Obama or Clinton (forget Mc Cain). The only one who gets my vote is a proponent of single payer. Same with the issues of Iraq (just plain out, with reparations), trade (out of NAFTA/WTO). I would love a woman, or a member of a “minority” or better yet, a woman member of a minority to be Pres. but not if that person would sacrifice the things we really need in this country. And for all the talk of differences, a 20 foot bridge may be twice as long as a 10 foot one but it is no better for a  90 foot chasm - at the end of either you still fall off.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ms. Flanders, </p>
<p>First, it’s good to know that you actually read comments people make! I get the impression that often journalists don’t even bother to see, let alone respond to, observations by their readers. Thank you!</p>
<p>I also think that perhaps many women jumped on the Hillary bandwagon out of sheer frustration &#8211; “any woman has GOT to be better” &#8211; without checking beyond the DNA. I’ve heard too many sad, mumbling defenses of her policies on TV by women who should know better to doubt that this is a real phenomenon.</p>
<p>But, and here I tremble waiting for the “racist” label to be attached to me, I think that a lot of Obama supporters   support him for the same reason &#8211; his symbolism to a long suffering group of people.</p>
<p>Both groups are bound to be disappointed, whether their candidate gets elected or not, because neither one offers anything of real substance. I, too “hope” for a “change”, but not from either one of these guys (let alone McCain). But for me, hope is not enough, we’re too far down the road for that. I will only give my vote to someone who earns it. I know healthcare is too far gone to waste time on tinkering with either Obama or Clinton (forget Mc Cain). The only one who gets my vote is a proponent of single payer. Same with the issues of Iraq (just plain out, with reparations), trade (out of NAFTA/WTO). I would love a woman, or a member of a “minority” or better yet, a woman member of a minority to be Pres. but not if that person would sacrifice the things we really need in this country. And for all the talk of differences, a 20 foot bridge may be twice as long as a 10 foot one but it is no better for a  90 foot chasm &#8211; at the end of either you still fall off.</p>
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		<title>By: anonosassin</title>
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		<dc:creator>anonosassin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hillary (and Bill) are way too pro-corporate.  Obama is also too pro-corporate, but probably much less so, particularly with Edwards as Attorney-General.  Possessing neither dark skin nor a vagina, that is really all I care about.  Any Clintion supporter who votes for McCain’t out of spite deserves an unwanted pregnancy.  Any who are offended by this probably deserve to be.  I didn’t get the candidate I wanted, either.  Grow up, get real, and defeat the fascist threat, OK?&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hillary (and Bill) are way too pro-corporate.  Obama is also too pro-corporate, but probably much less so, particularly with Edwards as Attorney-General.  Possessing neither dark skin nor a vagina, that is really all I care about.  Any Clintion supporter who votes for McCain’t out of spite deserves an unwanted pregnancy.  Any who are offended by this probably deserve to be.  I didn’t get the candidate I wanted, either.  Grow up, get real, and defeat the fascist threat, OK?</p>
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		<title>By: shell</title>
		<link>http://grittv.org/2008/06/04/grittv-commentary-the-hillary-backers/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>shell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 21:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;”It wasn’t her hair, her shoes, her husband… ”&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Face it — without her husband, Hillary would have been OUT of the race long ago — or not have even gotten in it.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;Real feminists need a woman as president who got there on her own — truly — not because her husband was POTUS first.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;A Hillary win would just have been pretty much the same old thing — women can never get ahead without a MAN.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>”It wasn’t her hair, her shoes, her husband… ”</p>
<p>Face it — without her husband, Hillary would have been OUT of the race long ago — or not have even gotten in it.</p>
<p>Real feminists need a woman as president who got there on her own — truly — not because her husband was POTUS first.</p>
<p>A Hillary win would just have been pretty much the same old thing — women can never get ahead without a MAN.</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:48:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Exactly!  We have a local dude here who uses the prolife issue to channel his most abusive freaking mysogynist’s reign of terror on all women in our neighborhood.  What a guy!  Prolifers love him but the rest of us know it isn’t about that.  It’s about an excuse to verbally beat up on women.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Exactly!  We have a local dude here who uses the prolife issue to channel his most abusive freaking mysogynist’s reign of terror on all women in our neighborhood.  What a guy!  Prolifers love him but the rest of us know it isn’t about that.  It’s about an excuse to verbally beat up on women.</p>
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		<title>By: dosido</title>
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		<dc:creator>dosido</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Your comment is very interesting to me because why all the talk of feminism now?  and feminist supporters.  Hillary did get more than that.  BTW I am for women’s rights and didn’t see any of the candidates as taking a stand for that necessarily.  Feminism isn’t at the top of my priority list this election year.  Iraq and economy are.&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;I think we’re talking feminism now because of the charges of bias late in the game.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your comment is very interesting to me because why all the talk of feminism now?  and feminist supporters.  Hillary did get more than that.  BTW I am for women’s rights and didn’t see any of the candidates as taking a stand for that necessarily.  Feminism isn’t at the top of my priority list this election year.  Iraq and economy are.</p>
<p>I think we’re talking feminism now because of the charges of bias late in the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Margot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Margot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:29:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Amen. I have been very pissed about this kind of condescending treatment toward Clinton supporters, or to anyone who dared say a kind word about her.  I’m an intelligent person, I don’t need a howling mob to force me into supporting someone.&lt;br /&gt;
I don’t do groupthink.&lt;br /&gt;
I did vote for Obama in my primary and will vote for him in November; I’m a yellow dog Democrat.&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen. I have been very pissed about this kind of condescending treatment toward Clinton supporters, or to anyone who dared say a kind word about her.  I’m an intelligent person, I don’t need a howling mob to force me into supporting someone.<br />
I don’t do groupthink.<br />
I did vote for Obama in my primary and will vote for him in November; I’m a yellow dog Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: ekunin</title>
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		<dc:creator>ekunin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 20:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The war vote is a very big difference&lt;/p&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The war vote is a very big difference</p>
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